The Disney Alice in Wonderlands That Never Were 
 
     
      
“No story in English literature has intrigued me more than Lewis 
Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland. It fascinated me the first time I read it
 as a schoolboy and as soon as I possibly could after I started making 
animated cartoons, I acquired the film rights to it.  Carroll was 
revolutionary in the field of literature. He violated the serious 
Victorian tradition by writing Alice in a vein of fantasy and nonsense. 
In fact, he was a pace-setter for the motion picture cartoon and the 
comic strip of today by the style he introduced in his fantasy. People 
in his period had no time to waste on triviality, yet Carroll with his 
nonsense and fantasy furnished a balance between seriousness and 
enjoyment which everybody needed then and still needs today.” — Walt 
Disney, quoted in American Weekly  - August 11, 1946
There were three silent film versions of Alice’s Adventures in 
Wonderland (1903, 1910 and 1915) and while Walt Disney never mentioned 
seeing any of them, it is certainly possible that he might have seen at 
least one of them either when they were released or in preparation for 
his film version.
However, it is documented that Walt not only read but studied and recommended a 1920 book titled Animated Cartoons by E.G. Lutz.
In the final chapter, discussing the future of animation, author Lutz states:  “Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland
 is a good example of the type of fanciful tale on the order of which 
animated cartoons could be made for children. The Mad Hatter would make 
an admirable figure to pace across the screen. An artist desiring to be 
the author of an animated story built on the model of Carroll’s classics
 would need a gleeful imagination and a turn for the fantastic.  And he 
would require, besides, if he hoped to draw characters of a par with 
Tenniel’s depictions, more than the ordinary qualifications of a screen 
draftsman.”
This suggestion might have inspired Walt’s decision to title his 
successful animated series, about a live-action little girl interacting 
with a fantastical world of cartoon characters, the Alice Comedies and call the first installment Alice’s Wonderland.
The year 1932 marked the centennial of the birth of Lewis Carroll 
(the pseudonym for the Rev. Charles Dodgson) who authored the adventures
 of Alice, inspired by the child Alice Liddell. That year, Liddell, who 
grew up to be Mrs. Alice Hargreaves, visited the United States to 
receive an honorary degree and make personal appearances. In June 1932, 
she got to view three Mickey Mouse cartoons on a theatrical screen and 
was quite pleased and felt that Carroll would have enjoyed the new 
medium to tell stories.
At the time, silent screen star Mary Pickford, who was one of the 
founding members of United Artists, proposed to Walt Disney filming a 
feature-length version of Alice in Wonderland with little Mary 
playing the role of Alice in an animated Wonderland supplied by Walt 
Disney and his artists. Pickford was hugely excited about the project, 
did costume tests for the character, and issued press announcements. The
 film was planned for black and white, although some of the costume 
tests that survive were done in three-strip Technicolor. Walt did not 
appear to be equally enthusiastic about the project and with the 
announcement that Paramount Pictures was producing an all-star 
live-action film to be released December 1933, it ended work on the 
Pickford-Disney film.
“We have been asked to make Alice in Wonderland with Mary 
Pickford,” said Walt in the New York Times Magazine (June 3, 1934). “We 
have discouraged the idea, for we aren’t ready for a feature yet.”
Prompted by the success of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Walt purchased several projects for future animated features, including the rights to Alice in Wonderland
 in 1938—in particular the rights to reproduce the original Tenniel 
drawings. Again, Walt told the New York Times Magazine (March 1938), 
“Alice in Wonderland should never have been done in the realistic medium
 of motion picture [referring to the 1933 Paramount film] but we regard 
it as a natural for our medium.”
Between December 1938 and April 1941, Walt held at least 11 
documented meetings with various members of his staff to discuss the 
possibilities of making Alice in Wonderland.
“I’ll tell you what has been wrong with every one of these production
 on Carroll," said Walt Disney at a January 4, 1939 story meeting. "They
 have depended on his dialogue to be funny. But if you can use some of 
Carroll’s phrases that are funny, use them. If they aren’t funny, throw 
them out. There is a spirit behind Carroll’s story. It’s fantasy, 
imagination, screwball logic…but it must be funny. I mean funny to an 
American audience. To hell with the English audiences or the people who 
love Carroll…I’d like to make it more or less a 1940 or 1945 
version—right up to date. I wouldn’t put in any modern slang that 
wouldn’t fit, but the stuff can be modernized. I want to put my money 
into something that will go in Podunk, Iowa, and they will go in and 
laugh at it because they have experienced it. They wouldn’t laugh at a 
lot of English sayings that they’ve never heard or that don’t mean 
anything to them. Yet, we can keep it very much Carroll—keep his 
spirit.”
Disney storyman Al Perkins researched Carroll and his work and 
produced a 161 page analysis of the book Alice in Wonderland that broke 
down the book chapter by chapter, pointing out the possibilities for 
animation. Some of these suggestions were later used in the final 
animated feature, including the idea that the White Rabbit should wear 
glasses because Carroll once commented that he thought the White Rabbit 
should have spectacles, even though Tenniel never drew the character 
that way. Perkins also felt that the Cheshire Cat should be expanded and
 appear in other scenes of the story and that the watch that the Mad 
Hatter and the March Hare fix should belong to the White Rabbit.
Beginning June 1939, British artist David Hall spent about three 
months to produce roughly four hundred paintings, drawings and sketches 
using the Perkins’ analysis as a guide. Hall had a background as a 
production artist in the film industry including DeMille’s The King of 
Kings (1927). Story conferences at the time were not helpful to Hall 
because Walt felt that his story people didn’t understand the spirit of 
the story. For instance, they had suggested changing the croquet match 
into a football game. According to the story conference notes, Walt 
considered this approach at humor as “Donald Duck gags” and that “I 
think the book is funnier than the way you guys have got it. Get in and 
study characters and personalities, and that’s where the real humor will
 come from.”
In November 1939, the Disney Studio filmed a Leica reel (a film of 
the concept drawings with a soundtrack to get an idea about the 
continuity and flow) using Hall’s artwork. The soundtrack included Cliff
 “Jiminy Cricket” Edwards doing the voice of the Talking Bottle (later 
changed in the final film to a talking doorknob).
“There are certain things in there that I like very much and there 
are other things in there that I think we ought to tear right out. I 
don’t think there would be any harm in letting this thing sit for a 
while. Everyone is stale now. You’ll look at it again and maybe have 
another idea on it. That’s the way it works for me. I still feel that we
 can stick close to Alice in Wonderland and make it look like it and 
feel like it, you know,” said Walt after viewing the reel that over the 
decades seems to have disappeared. David Hall left the Disney Studio 
January 1940.
At a meeting in April 8, 1941, Walt brought up the project again, 
“I’ve been wondering if we could do this thing with a live action girl. 
Here’s the value in the live girl over trying to animate it—we can 
animate a girl, make her run around and things—but carrying this story 
is different. There’s a lot of story here with the girl, and trying to 
carry the story with a cartoon girl puts us in a hell of a spot. We 
might, in the whole picture, have, say a dozen complicated trick shots, 
but the rest of them would be close-ups and working around it. We can 
get some good characters and good music. There’s so much stuff in this 
business, we could work around the girl.”
At the meeting, it was suggested that actress Gloria Jean, who was 14
 at the time and had just appeared as W.C. Fields’ niece in the film Never Give a Sucker An Even Break, should be considered.
The outbreak of World War II prevented further work on that project. 
In 1944, the Disney Studios provided the cover artwork of a massive 
mushroom and the famous caterpillar for a record album based on Alice in Wonderland
 read by actress Ginger Rogers, who was 33 years old at the time. The 
album featured original music composed by Frank Luther and conducted by 
Victor Young. Initially on a set of three 78rpm records on the Decca 
label, catalogue number 5040, in 1944, it was re-released in 1950 in 
7-iinch 45 rpm format and as a 10-inch LP. Besides Rogers, voices on the
 album included Lou Merrill, Bea Benaderet, Arthur Q. Bryan, Joe Kearns,
 Ferdy Munier and Martha Wentworth. Supposedly, Walt briefly flirted 
with the idea of doing the live-action/animated version of Alice with 
Rogers in the lead.
In the fall of 1945, Walt brought in writer Aldous Huxley to work on the live action/animation script for what was to become Alice and the Mysterious Mr. Carroll. The idea was that the film would star actress Luana Patten, who later appeared in Disney films Song of the South (1946) and So Dear To My Heart. Huxley was a well-known and prolific English writer probably best remembered for his novel Brave New World,
 written in 1932 about the anti-uptopian London of 2540, where the human
 spirit is subjected to conditioning and control. Very highly regarded 
for his ideas as well as his writing, Huxley through his friend novelist
 Anita Loos, spent some time in Hollywood in the 1940s doing some work 
on screenplays, including MGM’s Madame Curie, Pride and Prejudice and Jane Eyre although his work was not always credited or used in its entirety.
The Disney Studio agreed to pay Huxley $7,500 to write the treatment 
for the film. They paid him $2,500 on October 18, 1945 with the balance 
to be paid on the delivery of the final treatment no later than January 
15, 1946. Huxley delivered his 14-page treatment on November 23, 1945. 
The Disney Studio also took out an option for Huxley to do the final 
screenplay for $15,000 that would have included “all additions, changes 
and revisions.” The first draft of the script was delivered December 5, 
1945.
Walt Disney had been seriously thinking of diversifying into 
live-action since World War II had shown him how vulnerable his business
 was when his talented animators were drafted into the service and 
foreign markets were closed to his films. It became very apparent that 
the time consuming and costly process of producing animated features 
would not supply a steady income for the studio. It was thought that 
live action could be done quicker and with less investment.
One example of this thinking was the film Song of the South,
 which was primarily live-action with animated segments supporting the 
story. Huxley’s script was very much in this same style with the story 
of Carroll and Alice told in live action with Alice seeking safety from 
her troubles by imagining an animated Wonderland. Huxley tried to set a 
premise that Carroll and Alice were very much alike in their love of 
fantasy, but their personal happiness was thwarted by very stern, 
no-nonsense people who controlled their lives.
Here is a brief summary of Huxley’s synopsis for Alice and the Mysterious Mr. Carroll from November 1945.
The synopsis begins with a letter stating that the Queen wants to know and meet the author of Alice in Wonderland.
 She has been told he is an Oxford don and that she wishes the vice 
chancellor of the University, Langham, to discover his identity.
Langham tosses aside the request since he has other concerns, 
including the Rev. Charles Dodgson lobbying to become the new librarian.
 Dodgson loves books and wants to be relived of his duties lecturing 
since he stutters badly when nervous. (In real life, the Dodo in 
Wonderland was named after Dodgson who sometimes because of his stutter 
would introduce himself as Do-Do-Dodgson.) Langham is not inclined to 
endorse Dodgson for the new job because he feels it is inappropriate for
 the good reverend to be interested in the theater and in photography. 
Langham’s assistant, Grove, who knows Dodgson quite well and just 
considers him a little eccentric tries to plead Dodgson’s case to no 
avail.
Grove is the weak-willed guardian of a little girl named Alice, whose
 parents are temporarily off in India. Grove has hired Miss Beale to 
take care of Alice. Miss Beale is a no-nonsense person who is very 
strict and dislikes Dodgson because he fills Alice’s mind with nonsense.
 Huxley points out that it is important to establish that Alice is 
“temporarily an orphan at the mercy of a governess and an old man who do
 not truly understand her or love her.”
Dodgson has invited Alice to join him for a theatrical performance of Romeo and Juliet
 featuring one of his former students now grown up into an attractive 
and talented young woman, Ellen Terry. Miss Beale is outraged and orders
 Alice to write a letter to Dodgson informing him she can not attend 
because of her “religious principles”.
Dodgson visits Terry in the theater and she immediately guesses that 
he is the author Carroll because he used to tell her stories of the 
Cheshire Cat when she was younger. Dodgson begs her to keep his secret 
since he is up for the job of librarian and that if it were revealed he 
was the one who wrote the children’s book it would go badly for him. He 
also talks about bringing Alice to the play the following day.
Mrs. Beale discovers that Alice has not posted the letter to Dodgson 
but hidden it so she could sneak out and attend the theater with him. 
Enraged, Beale locks Alice in the garden house. When “Grove expresses 
concern about the severity of Alice’s punishment, Miss Beale assures him
 that this is how it was always done in the best and most pious 
families. Grove ends by agreeing, as he always does when confronted by a
 personality stronger than his own.”
Miss Beale raises the question of her pension that must be submitted 
to the Bishop within days (or wait another two years for the next 
opportunity) and Grove advises her that the Bishop was good friends with
 Dodgson’s father and perhaps the reverend could write a recommendation.
 Miss Beale’s appears visibly concerned.
Alice is terrified at being locked in the garden house, but Miss 
Beale informs her that if she does not stop her screaming and pounding 
she will remain locked in there both day and night. To escape her 
terrors, Alice starts to imagine that a hanging rope is the caterpillar 
from the book and that a stuffed tiger’s head is the Cheshire Cat. 
Eventually, by remembering that in Wonderland there “is a garden at the 
bottom of every rabbit hole,” she finds a small shuttered window and is 
able to escape.
She rushes down the street towards the theater but has some 
horrendous adventures including being robbed by street urchins and 
trying to escape from a policeman remembering “Miss Beale’s blood 
curdling accounts of what happens to children who fall into the clutches
 of the Law.”
Alice eventually finds her way to the theater and rushes tearfully to
 Ellen Terry and the surrounding performers who are taking a break on 
stage. She incoherently blurts out her tale. Terry sends for Dodgson and
 is indignant about the way Alice has been treated. Alice confesses her 
“system of overcoming fear is pretending to be in Wonderland.”
Ellen Terry says that is the purpose of theater to “take people out of Dull Land and Worry Land and carry them into Wonderland.”
She, eventually joined by the other actors, recounts the story of the
 Red Queen’s croquet game and the film transitions into animation. 
Dodgson arrives to take Alice home but Terry insists that Alice stay 
until she’s had an opportunity to talk “with that old dragon” who has 
been persecuting Alice. Dodgson agrees and joins in on the storytelling 
that transforms into another animated segment.
At the point in the animated story where the Red Queen yells “Off 
With Her Head!” it returns to live-action and the appearance of Miss 
Beale followed by Grove and two policemen. Grove is persuaded to dismiss
 the policemen and Terry eloquently convinces Beale of the need to be 
kinder to Alice. During the discussion, Alice blurts out that Dodgson is
 really Lewis Carroll. A disgusted and frustrated Grove proclaims that 
this is the final straw why Dodgson is unfit for the job of librarian 
and leaves to confront Langham with the news.
Langham has no time for Grove, because he has been informed that the 
Queen is arriving that very afternoon to meet the author of Alice in Wonderland
 and he fears what her reaction will be for his inaction in finding the 
author. Grove announces he can produce the author and returns to the 
theater. There, without telling them the reason other than Langham needs
 to see them immediately, he gathers Beale, Alice and Dodgson and takes 
them in a cab back to the University.
Langham and the other dignitaries are paying their respects to the 
Queen and, just as Langham is about to admit he does not know who 
Carroll is, Grove arrives and shoves Dodgson forward. Alice is terrified
 the Queen will cut off his head, but the Queen is quite pleased. When 
she leaves, Dodgson finds himself lionized by those who had previously 
looked at him askance.
Even Miss Beale apologizes and shyly asks for Dodgson’s 
recommendation to the bishop about her pension. Once assured that this 
means Miss Beale will not teach anymore children in the future, Dodgson 
warmly agrees.
As all the new found flatterers cluster around Dodgson they all 
appear in Alice’s eyes to transform into residents of Wonderland with 
only Dodgson himself remaining human.
A brief epilogue shows a gothic doorway with the word “Librarian” 
painted on the door and Dodgson seated comfortably at a table, writing, 
and surrounded by walls of books. A scout comes in and announces the 
carriage is ready and Dodgson leaves and goes to a nearby park where 
children are having a party including a Punch and Judy show. Alice runs 
up to Dodgson to introduce her new governess who is a “young and 
charming girl” who seems to be enjoying the party as much as Alice 
herself.
A stout middle aged woman approaches Dodgson to tell him how much she
 loves his wonderful book. Dodgson bows, smiles and hands her a printed 
card from his pocket and walks away. The card states: “The Rev. Charles 
L. Dodgson takes no responsibility for any publication not issued under 
his own name”. The woman looks back up to see Dodgson walking away with 
Alice and other characters.
 
There was a story meeting on December 7, 1945 with Walt and Huxley as
 well as Dick Huemer, Joe Grant, D. Koch, Cap Palmer, Bill Cottrell, and
 Ham Luske. On the infamous day that Pearl Harbor was attacked, Walt was
 at the Disney Studios having a meeting on Huxley’s screenplay derived 
from this treatment for Alice in Wonderland with others who were completely oblivious to the historic impact of the day.
Huxley had made some significant changes in the screenplay. For 
instance, the transition into Wonderland was shifted from the theater to
 Dodgson’s studio where Alice is looking through proofs of the book for Alice in Wonderland.
 Although the existing copy of the screenplay has pencil notations that 
Alice enters Wonderland in dissolves as Dodgson begins to tell her the 
story. With only the first 31 pages remaining from the screenplay, 
regrettably we may never know what other changes were made.
Joe Grant suggested Harold Lloyd to play the role of Carroll/Dodgson 
but Walt preferred Cary Grant. Walt also wanted to play up a suggested 
romantic interest between Carroll and actress Ellen Terry in the script 
because “we don’t want him to look like a ‘queer’. I don’t want to see 
us build up any sex story here…We don’t bring sex into it all at.
”Cap Palmer added, “Just a healthy interest in a grown woman.”
Walt was insistent that the importance of nonsense be made clear.
“We are driving toward another underlying point, which is that, often
 times, the best sense is non-sense. I’d like to finish the whole thing 
by coming out with some bit of nonsense that makes very good sense—and 
the implication would be—‘There, that’s what we’ve been trying to tell 
you.’”
Walt concluded, “I’d like to work it so that there’s only one heavy 
in the picture and that’s Beale and we can lay everything on her. Have 
no other heavy, you see? The thing that makes the whole story pay off is
 that there is a conflict between Beale and her theory on how children 
should be handled—there should be no nonsense at all—everything has to 
drive toward something practical.”
There were vast differences of opinion on how Miss Beale’s villainy 
should be shown. It was suggested a jealousy of Ellen Terry, pleasure in
 the merciless domination of Grove (who it was discussed making Alice’s 
uncle or father rather than just a guardian), inhumane punishment of 
Alice, or actually discovering Carroll’s identity to use as blackmail to
 prevent him from helping Alice.
Walt stated, “But to strengthen the whole thing, Beale is trying to 
bring this child up in a certain way. When she comes back from 
Dodgson’s, the child has come back with a certain amount of nonsense and
 a certain philosophy along those lines. If he has said, for example, 
‘Going through life with nothing but Sense is like trying to run a race 
with one foot’. Well, now that’s a heck of a philosophy to give a 
child—in other words, it clashes with what Beale is trying to do.”
For the final scene, Walt suggested, “Maybe in the last scene we see 
Mr. Carroll with all these little characters around him and all of a 
sudden he turns into the little character we want him to be. We can just
 make a tag ending. Suddenly, the whole thing changes. We make an 
overlap right on into this fantasy and don’t go into any other scenes. 
Everybody’s happy. Grove is all right and when the Queen comes you can 
bring Miss Terry and her mother in. Everybody can be happy while this is
 happening. It’s a natural place to bring everybody together.”
Earlier, Walt had suggested, “There is this chance to have a scene in
 the end where they all go on a picnic—there is Dodgson, Grove, Alice, 
Terry, Mrs. Terry, and the new governess. And the new governess is not 
so bad to look at, and it is quite a change for Grove, so Grove becomes a
 sort of comic figure in a way. Or there is another play. There could be
 a suggestion that Mrs. Terry and Grove become rather friendly. But we 
could do the same thing through the new governess who is an entirely 
different character. That could be a very happy setting and you would 
leave with a very happy thought.”
It has been stated that Walt rejected Huxley’s script because he 
could only understand every third word,but reading the story meeting 
notes it is more likely that Walt just felt it didn’t capture what he 
wanted. Apparently, Walt did comment that the approach was “too 
literary” for his tastes but judging from the story meeting notes, Walt 
was actively excited about shaping the story.
Huxley’s wife, Maria, later stated, “this was the first movie he [Huxley] liked doing”.
Unfortunately, a massive fire in 1961 destroyed more than 4,000 of 
Huxley’s annotated books and documents, including his involvement on the
 Alice project. Fortunately, the Disney Archives does have some of the 
story meeting notes, some memorandums, the 14-page treatment and 31 
pages of the script written by Huxley.
At the end of World War II, Walt was eager to get into production of full-length animated features and began work on Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan.
 So instead of a live-action/animation mix, Alice became full animation 
and veered from the original Tenniel illustrations to the more 
modernistic design work of Mary Blair.
When the animated feature was released in 1951, it contained no 
elements from Huxley’s work. Audiences and critics didn’t care for the 
film on its initial release and even animator Ward Kimball referred to 
it as a “loud-mouthed vaudeville show. There’s no denying that there are
 many charming bits in our Alice, but it lacks warmth and an overall 
story glue.”
An article, supposed written by Walt Disney about the 1951 animated feature, "How I Cartooned Alice” appears here (link).
 I suspect it was not actually written by Walt, but wordsmithed by 
someone else at the studio and had to be approved by Walt since it was 
published under his name. 
Matt Crandall, who has been collecting memorabilia related to the 
Disney Alice animated feature for more than 20 years, has a wonderful 
Website (link). I was happy to see that Matt was asked to be part of the new “Making of” featurette on the latest DVD of Alice in Wonderland but disappointed that they didn’t really let him fully demonstrate his knowledge and insights. 
Wade Sampson